Episode 12
Timestamps:
(00:00:00) Introduction to Perfectionism
(00:01:34) Poll on Perfectionism
(00:01:58) Manifestations of Perfectionism
(00:03:41) Perfectionism as a Roadblock
(00:04:55) Reframing Perfectionism
(00:05:29) Katherine's Background
(00:06:09) Universal Nature of Perfectionism
(00:07:37) Curiosity About Perfectionism
(00:09:00) Emotional Aspects of Perfectionism
(00:10:12) Personal Experience with Control
(00:12:37) The Gap of Potential
(00:14:47) Control and Safety
(00:16:32) Ambition and Perfectionism
(00:17:45) Individualized Perfectionism
(00:20:31) Self-Compassion vs. Shame
(00:22:43) Redefining Perfectionism
(00:24:01) Self-Compassion Framework
(00:25:10) Perfectionism as a Strength
(00:26:00) Understanding Perfectionism
(00:28:48) The Five Types of Perfectionists
(00:31:07) Classic Perfectionist
(00:32:09) Procrastinator Perfectionist
(00:33:22) Messy Perfectionist
(00:35:24) Intense Perfectionist
(00:36:30) Parisian Perfectionist
(00:37:38) Contextual Perfectionism
(00:41:21) The Need for Help
(00:44:04) Types of Support
(00:47:02) Reframing Asking for Help
(00:48:41) The Impact of Language on Feelings
(00:49:06) Advice from Future Self
(00:49:37) The Importance of Connection
(00:50:14) Finding Support in Future Self
A new way to look at perfectionism with Katherine Morgan Schafler
In this episode of the Season of Stuck podcast host, Deanna deBara and guest, Katherine Morgan Schafler, take a deep dive into all things perfectionism. They explore how perfectionism can lead to feelings of being stuck and differentiate between adaptive and maladaptive perfectionism. Katherine introduces five types of perfectionists and emphasizes the importance of self-compassion and seeking help. They also discuss the power of reframing negative narratives and the significance of connection over advice. The episode encourages listeners to embrace their perfectionist tendencies while fostering emotional understanding and support for personal growth.
Tune in to learn about:
Perfectionism as a complex personality trait rather than a simple flaw
How perfectionism—when unchecked—can lead to a desire for control and create barriers to happiness
The distinction between healthy and unhealthy perfectionism
The emotional gaps perfectionists can feel between their current reality and their perceived potential
Self-compassion as a crucial tool for overcoming the negative impacts of perfectionism
The five types of perfectionists,—and the strengths and weaknesses of each
The importance of seeking support—and how perfectionists can reframe the narrative around asking for help
How changing your internal dialogue can help you change your feelings and perceptions around perfectionism
The significance of maintaining connections with yourself ( and others!) as a way to combat feelings of being stuck
How to reframe perfectionism as a strength
“Perfectionism is not the problem. The problem is how you respond to your perfectionism.”
About Katherine Morgan Schafler
Katherine Morgan Schafler is a psychotherapist and the author of The Perfectionist Guide to Losing Control, a book that challenges the way we look at perfectionism—and how perfectionists look at themselves —by redefining what it means to be a perfectionist and embracing it as the strength it can be. Schafler’s work helps people identify, understand, and work with their perfectionism in a way that works for them, not against them.
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Instagram: @katherinemorganschafler
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